Sometimes Mechanics say weird things (authoritatively even) like a socket extension, for a torque wrench, messes up the applied torque.
Let the debate begin.
Let the debate begin.
***DISCLAIMER*** The following is purely speculation on my part; not based on any substantiated facts:Back to the torque question. To be more specific, if I set the torque wrench at 100 ft.lbs. to torque up lug nuts, will say a 3" long socket extension affect the delivery of that torque, i.e. will I have less than 100 ft.lbs. actually applied?
Are you saying "debate" should read "da bait"? :lol:Are you just trying to mess with our brains, Jeepman? 'cause if so, you're doing a good job. :lol:
"Orange Can of Death". In decades of using Fram orange cans, I never had one issue. I've read dozens of articles on the topic at places like Bob Is The Oil Guy and elsewhere. If Fram filters were the only ones available, I would use them and not worry about it but I do relatively short oil change intervals. So, I would say to the "I told you so" guy that there is probably something else wrong with oil pressure in the system or that there was a random manufacturing defect in the filter he's holding. I think Frams are on par with other manufacturers regarding burst pressures and certainly capable of taking much more pressure than a car should produce even with oil at its most viscous. My 1.5 cents.A self proclaimed oil filter expert shows you a Fram filter that is bulging and the seam at the base is unwrapping as well. He says "see, I told you, Frams are crap, look at this". Does he know what he is talking about?
I LOVE the idea of the thread. Using an extension is imperative with the flat bar torque wrench we have at the school. I insist that the kids use an extension to get adequate clearance from the body panels. I've seen paint scraped off wheel well edges. Yikes!Are you saying "debate" should read "da bait"? :lol:
No, I am just trying to create some discussion on "debatable" items. Actually the torque debate is found on many sites on the internet. I agree with you and Jon Mopar about the torque being equal, i.e. no losses. Use any extension you want, no problem.
Good point, especially if the front wheels are cut a bit.I LOVE the idea of the thread. Using an extension is imperative with the flat bar torque wrench we have at the school. I insist that the kids use an extension to get adequate clearance from the body panels. I've seen paint scraped off wheel well edges. Yikes!
Gotta love the banter.A guy in a minivan forum says that Fluid Film is the best rustproofing compound available. Is he right? :sulkoff:
All true. I think Fluid Film would - and I've said this before - collect less dust and as such be less likely to cake up and hold moisture. It just seems to make sense that it would be less likely to absorb dust and dirt but rather hold it on top leaving a greasy 'fresh' layer underneath. So, why am I not using it as a mainstay for rust proofing? It's a psychological thing. So far ATF (I have tons and it's free) and Coat and Protect (1/2 the price of FF) has kept rust away. My mind tells me that FF would be better but my pocketbook prevents me from moving forward. I've just got to get over that. :lol:Gotta love the banter.
I hear that minivans can get the rusties so I am thinking he's probably right. The thing about Fluid Film is it's availability throughout Canada and the US. Products like Rust Check and Krown, although well known in Canada for being good products, are not well known in the US, it seems.
And I think there is a difference, mostly depending on the size of your extension. A shorty extension will experience less loss than the 12" flexible extension, or pairing all your extension together for maximum loss :lol:In my opinion, using an extension is no different than using a long socket. Even if the extension twists a bit during the process (like a torsion bar), the torque at the nut has to counter the torque applied at the wrench i.e. be equal.
For a twist, let's say we are using a 3/8" drive by 12" long flexible socket extension and are torquing with a 90 degree bend in that extension. I wonder what 20 ft. lbs. of torque applied at the wrench looks like at the nut, if the extension will take it without coiling. I will have to do some experimenting with that for my Thesis atoman thinks I am working on (Post #8). :biggrin: